Interviews and life choices · intermediate · 9 min
Japanese Through Mats Takako's Career Choices
Mats Takako reflects on choosing her path from the stage to television, and the people and instincts that shaped her career.
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Japanese script with English translation
- 1.
やるって決めてからは やっぱもう仕事なので
Once I decide to do it, well, it's my job, so...
- 2.
「できない」はないので
There's no such thing as "I can't."
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やるしかないので
I just have to do it.
- 4.
「できませんでした」はない世界じゃないですか
It's a world where "I couldn't do it" isn't an option, right?
- 5.
だから
So...
- 6.
やる
I do it.
- 7.
みたいな
Something like that.
- 8.
気合みたいな
Like, sheer determination.
- 9.
若干ヘラヘラしてますけど 気持ちとしてはそうです
I'm grinning a bit, but that's really how I feel.
- 10.
穏やかなイメージに反し、根性論が飛び出したのは俳優の松たか子さん。
Contrary to her gentle image, actress Takako Matsu speaks about sheer grit.
- 11.
松さんが気合で挑むのは
What Ms. Matsu is taking on with such determination is...
- 12.
このお芝居
...this play.
- 13.
え?
Huh?
- 14.
仲いいでしょう?
We get along well, don't we?
- 15.
明後日公開の映画「ナギダイアリー」
The movie 'Nagi Diary', opening the day after tomorrow
- 16.
一人は寂しいよ
Being alone is lonely.
- 17.
松さんが演じるのは、大きな喪失を抱えた彫刻家・寄子。
Matsu plays Yoriko, a sculptor living with a profound loss.
- 18.
その穏やかな日常を取り巻く
Surrounding her peaceful daily life,
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繊細な人間模様を描いたヒューマンドラマです
it is a human drama depicting delicate human relationships.
- 20.
今年5月にはカンヌ国際映画祭のコンペティション部門で上映
In May this year, it was screened in the Competition section of the Cannes Film Festival,
- 21.
およそ7分間にわたりスタンディングオベーションが続いた注目作です
and is a highly anticipated film that received a standing ovation lasting about 7 minutes.
- 22.
特別映画用に何かエピソードを作ったというよりかは
Rather than having created a specific episode just for the movie,
- 23.
ナギという想像上の町の話ではあるんですけども
although it is a story about an imaginary town called Nagi,
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実際に岡山県にある奈義町というところで全編撮影をしたという
the entire film was actually shot in a place called Nagi-cho in Okayama Prefecture.
- 25.
全部その土地の風景であるということが見どころだと思います
I think the highlight is that all of it features the actual scenery of that region.
- 26.
今回の作品が描くテーマは
The theme depicted in this work is...
- 27.
人生の様々な選択肢の中で何を選びどう生きていくか
What to choose and how to live among life's various options.
- 28.
そこで松さんに選択の場面において大切にしていることを伺いました
So, we asked Ms. Matsu what she values when making choices.
- 29.
私の場合は
In my case...
- 30.
自分がやりたいと思っていたことではないことも多いので
Since there are many times when it wasn't necessarily something I wanted to do myself...
- 31.
周りの人の「やってみたら?」っていう、背中をツンとされる、そこにのっかってみる
I try to go along with people around me nudging me and saying, 'Why don't you try it?'
- 32.
流されてみるっていうのが私の場合は割と
Going with the flow is, in my case, quite common.
- 33.
色々な新しいお仕事との出会いがそこにあったなと思います
I feel that's how I encountered various new opportunities.
- 34.
自分の直感を信じることもすごく大事だと思うんですけど
I think trusting your own intuition is also very important, but...
- 35.
意外に自分のことは自分が分かっていなかったりするので
Surprisingly, we often don't understand ourselves very well, so...
- 36.
自分の直感プラスその周りの人の冷静な意見というか
It's like my intuition plus the objective opinions of those around me.
- 37.
そこにも耳を傾けると出会いはあると思うから、そうやってきたかなって感じがします
I feel like I've lived that way because I believe you can find new encounters if you listen to those things too.
- 38.
自分の直感と周りの冷静な意見
My own intuition and the calm opinions of those around me.
- 39.
そう語る松さんがこれまで重ねてきた選択とは
What are the choices that Ms. Matsu, speaking thus, has made throughout her life?
- 40.
1977年 歌舞伎俳優 松本白鸚さんの娘として生まれた松さん
Born in 1977 as the daughter of Kabuki actor Matsumoto Hakuo, Ms. Matsu...
- 41.
幼い頃から舞台の世界を身近に感じながら育った松さんが 最初の大きな選択をしたのは中学3年生の頃
Growing up with the world of theater close to her since childhood, Ms. Matsu made her first major choice around her third year of junior high school.
- 42.
それまで通っていた学校は芸能活動がダメだったので どうしようかなと思ったときに
Since the school I was attending at the time prohibited show business activities, when I was wondering what to do...
- 43.
もう幼稚園からずっと通っていた学校だったんですけど
It was a school I had been attending ever since kindergarten, but...
- 44.
電車で通っているときに「あぁ、もうこの学校で学ぶことは学んだ」となんだかパッと思えて、「あぁ、もういいや」って思ったんですよね
While commuting by train, I suddenly thought, 'Ah, I've already learned everything I can at this school,' and felt, 'Ah, I'm ready to move on.'
- 45.
それで学校を変えて、デビューに向けての準備が始まったので
So I changed schools, and preparations for my debut began.
- 46.
飛び込むのは今なのかなと思ったのは大きかったと思います
I think it was a big factor that I felt now was the time to take the plunge.
- 47.
通っていた学校を離れ、芸能活動のできる学校へ
Leaving the school she was attending, she moved to a school that allowed entertainment activities.
- 48.
そして16歳の時、歌舞伎座で初舞台に立ちます
Then, at the age of 16, she made her stage debut at the Kabukiza Theatre.
- 49.
その頃、松さんが思い描いていたのは
At that time, what Ms. Matsu was envisioning was...
- 50.
舞台に立ちたいなと思ってたんですよね
"I really wanted to be on stage, you know."
- 51.
なので、テレビに出たいと思ったことはなくて
"So, I had never thought about wanting to appear on TV."
- 52.
しかし、そんな松さんのもとに思いがけない話が舞い込みます
However, an unexpected offer came to Ms. Matsu.
- 53.
1996年放送の大ヒット月9ドラマ「ロングバケーション」
The hit 1996 Monday 9 PM drama "Long Vacation".
- 54.
実はこのドラマへの出演が、人生における大きな選択の場面だったと言います
Actually, appearing in this drama is said to have been a major turning point in her life.
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ちょうどその頃、舞台の仕事をどうするか考えていました。
Around that time, I was wondering what to do about my stage work.
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同じ時期に、舞台のチャンスというか、まあオーディションというか、チャンスがあって
"At the same time, there was a stage opportunity, or rather, an audition, a chance..."
- 57.
自分ではもう「絶対舞台!舞台出たいです!」
"Personally, I was like, 'Definitely stage! I want to be on stage!'"
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はい、そっち舞台出たいですっていう気持ちだったんですけど
"Yes, my feeling was 'I want to do that stage work,' but..."
- 59.
周りの人にこう
"People around me were like..."
- 60.
テレビのチャンスなんてなかなかないんだから
"'An opportunity on TV doesn't come along very often, so...'"
- 61.
「出てみたら?」っていうので
Because they suggested, "Why don't you try appearing in it?"
- 62.
出たのが『ロングバケーション』だったので
And the show I ended up appearing in was "Long Vacation."
- 63.
周囲に背中を押され、飛び込んだテレビの世界
Pushed by those around me, I plunged into the world of television.
- 64.
のちに『ロングバケーション』は、「月曜日はOLが街から消える」と言われるほどの
Later, "Long Vacation" became so popular that it was said, "On Mondays, office ladies disappear from the streets,"
- 65.
社会現象を巻き起こしました
creating a massive social phenomenon.
- 66.
お芝居はしたくて、舞台に立ちたくて
I wanted to act, I wanted to stand on stage,
- 67.
で、テレビなんてそんな思ってなかったけど
so I wasn't really thinking about television, but
- 68.
お芝居を目指していく上で
in pursuing acting,
- 69.
始めるなら今なんじゃないかっていうのは自分で思ったし
I thought to myself, "If I'm going to start, isn't now the time?"
- 70.
舞台に立ちたいからといって、それ以外をやらないというのはなかったですね、やっぱり
Just because I wanted to be on stage didn't mean I would refuse to do anything else, after all.
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全部チャンスになるだろうという気持ちで
With the feeling that everything would turn into an opportunity,
- 72.
いたので
that's how I approached it.
- 73.
自分では全く思いもしないチャンスでも
Even for opportunities I would never have imagined myself,
- 74.
人が思ったイメージに飛び込んでみるというか
or rather, jumping into the image that others had of me,
- 75.
スタートとしてそこにチャレンジすべきかな
thinking maybe I should take that on as a starting point,
- 76.
と思って飛び込んだという感じ
and that's how I ended up diving in.
- 77.
そしてこの選択が松さんのキャリアを大きく広げていきます
And this choice greatly expanded Ms. Matsu's career.
- 78.
その年 史上最年少の19歳で紅白歌合戦の司会に抜擢
That year, at the record-youngest age of 19, she was chosen to host the Kohaku Uta Gassen.
- 79.
さらにその翌年 木村拓哉さんとW主演を務めた月9ドラマ「ラブジェネレーション」は
The following year, the Monday 9 PM drama "Love Generation," in which she co-starred with Takuya Kimura,
- 80.
平均視聴率30%超えの大ヒット
became a massive hit with an average rating of over 30%.
- 81.
何を不安に思っていいかすらもわからなかったので
Since I didn't even know what I should be anxious about,
- 82.
行ってしまえ!って感じだったけど
I was just like, "Just go for it!", but...
- 83.
そんな人間に「やらせてみようか」と思った
to think there were people who thought, "Let's give someone like her a chance,"
- 84.
物好きな方たち
those eccentric people.
- 85.
フジテレビの皆さまに
To everyone at Fuji TV,
- 86.
なんか
somehow,
- 87.
背中を押してもらったっていうのはすごい感じてます
I really feel like they gave me a push.
- 88.
なんかやっぱりその曜日のその時間をこいつに任せてみようみたいな
Like, 'let's try entrusting this guy with that day and time slot.'
- 89.
なんか勇気がなければあの怖いと思うんですけど
I think it would be scary without courage, but...
- 90.
運が良かった
I was lucky.
- 91.
それだけね
That's all, really.
- 92.
なんか自分で割と決めすぎないでいたものが
The things I didn't decide too much on my own...
- 93.
思いがけないあの出会いをもたらしてくれたなっていうのは感じます
...I feel they brought about those unexpected encounters.
- 94.
うん
Yeah.
- 95.
よりこさんに私とても会いたかったのは
The reason I really wanted to meet Yoriko was...
- 96.
よりこさんがとても孤独に見えたから
...because Yoriko looked so lonely.
- 97.
寂しく
Lonely
- 98.
寂しいよ
I'm lonely, you know.
- 99.
寂しい
Lonely.
- 100.
何を選びどう生きていくか
What to choose and how to live.
- 101.
周囲の意見に耳を傾けながらチャンスを掴んできた松さん
Ms. Matsu, who has seized opportunities while listening to the opinions of those around her.
- 102.
しかし50歳を目前に今までと少し違う自分に気づいていると言います
However, on the verge of turning 50, she says she is noticing a slightly different self from before.
- 103.
次にやるものが新しいものであること、面白いものであることだけを目指す感じです。
It feels like I'm just aiming for the next thing I do to be something new and interesting.
- 104.
大きくこうジャンルとして新たなものは考えてなくて
I'm not really thinking about a completely new genre...
- 105.
それは例えば映像なり舞台なり、今まで自分がやったことのあるものでも
Even if it's something I've done before, like film or stage...
- 106.
作品自体は毎回新しいので、全く新しいジャンルみたいなものなんですよね。だから
Since the work itself is new every time, it's like a completely new genre. So...
- 107.
それに向かう体力、気力をつける。元気にいないと。
To build the physical and mental strength to face it. I have to stay healthy.
- 108.
それは大事にしたいなと思います。
I want to cherish that.
- 109.
松たか子も、ノンストップ!
Takako Matsu is also non-stop!