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5 Ways to Stand Out in a Japanese Job Interview | Career Listening

Name: 5 Ways to Stand Out in a Japanese Job Interview | Career Listening
Uploaded: 2026-10-28T01:29:31.867Z
Duration: 20 min 26 s
Description: Advanced Japanese interview listening practice covering five communication habits that hiring managers value in candidates.

Advanced Japanese interview listening practice covering five communication habits that hiring managers value in candidates.

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元人事部長転職エージェントが話す面接

A former HR director turned career agent talks about job interviews.

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元人事部長転職エージェントが話す面接
A former HR director turned career agent talks about job interviews.
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無双の共通点5000です。はい、
Here are five traits shared by people who excel at interviews. Okay,
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こんにちは。まなみです。転職活動して
Hello, I’m Manami. When you’re job hunting,
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いると面接が苦手でうまく話せないとか
you may feel that you’re bad at interviews and can’t express yourself well,
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学歴も食歴も普通でアピールするところが
or that your education and work experience are both unremarkable, so you have no strengths
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何もないっていう風に落ち込んで
to highlight, and you become discouraged.
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いらっしゃる方とかよくいらっしゃると
I think there are many people who feel that way.
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思います。でも周りを見ているとあの人
But then you look around and think, “That person
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すごいスラス内定取ってかないとか直歴が
keeps landing job offers so effortlessly,” even though their work history
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めちゃくちゃいいわけでもないしなんだっ
isn’t exceptionally impressive; in fact,
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たら学歴とか大学卒業していないのになん
they may not even have graduated from university. So why
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でだろうとかっていう風に思う人
is that?” Many people wonder about this.
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とかいらっしゃいませんか?結論から言い
Is there anyone like that? To give you the conclusion first,
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ますけれども面接のえっと技術を上げてい
what I would say is that improving your interview skills
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くっていう風なところ受かりやすくなる
can make it easier for you to succeed.
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ためめっていうのは決してキラキラの食歴
To improve your chances, you certainly do not need an impressive career history
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や学歴が絶対必要っていう風なわけでは
or academic background.
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ありません。誰でもそこの技能を高めて
That is not the case. Anyone can develop those skills
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いくことはできます。私もあの転職
over time. Before I became, um, a recruitment
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エージェントの前はあの人事部長として
agent, I worked as, um, a head of human resources,
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面接を本当にこう毎日毎日何万人の方を
conducting interviews day after day. I have interviewed tens of thousands of people—
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面接したか覚えてないぐらいなんです
so many that I cannot even remember the exact number.
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けれどもやっぱり面接上手だなっ
And yet, the people who really struck me as good at interviews
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ていう人って本当にあの学歴とかあの
were not necessarily defined by, um, their academic background or, well...
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キラキラ食歴とか関係ないです。逆の
A dazzling work history has nothing to do with it. The opposite
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パターンも全然ありますからね。この方
happens all the time too. This person
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すっごくキラキラに書類上は見えたけど、
looked extremely impressive on paper, but
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あれお話ししてみると違うなっていう
once you talk to them, you think, “Oh, this isn’t what I expected”—
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ケースだってよくあるし、今回お話しする
that happens often as well, and the reverse, which we’ll discuss today,
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逆もまたしかりなんです。じゃあこの動画
is equally true. So, by watching this video,
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を見れば面接感にそういう風に好かれたり
I hope you’ll find tips on how to make interviewers like you
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とか、この人いいなって思ってもらえる
and think, “I like this person,”
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ヒントが見つかる
and discover useful pointers
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ような情報をお届けしていきたいなという
through the information I’d like to share with you,
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風に思いますので、最後までご確認
so please be sure to watch until the end.
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ください。1つ目は面接無双の人は話が
The first point is that people who are unbeatable in interviews speak...
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分かりやすい。私も気持ち分かるんです
It's easy to understand. I know how you feel, too,
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けど、ついつい話したいこと台本とかに
but when you start putting everything you want to say into a script,
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まとめていると、あれも言わなきゃ、これ
you start thinking, “I have to mention that, and this
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も言わなきゃってなって、言いたい中身の
too,” and you end up focusing so much on the content you want to convey
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ことを前に押しすぎてしまっていて、結局
and pushing it to the forefront that, in the end,
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話が上でまとまっていないっていうこと
the story isn't properly organized in your head.
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とかってよくありませんか?
Doesn't that happen a lot?
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すごいね、気持ちはね、分かります。これ
I really do understand how that feels. For example,
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職務経歴5分以内で話そうって思ってたの
you meant to explain your work history in under five minutes,
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に気づいたら15分も話してたなんてこと
but before you knew it, you'd been talking for fifteen.
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は、ま、よくある話ですね。これ事実、
Well, that's quite common. In fact,
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あの、面接感ってやっぱりシンプルな方が
interviewers generally prefer things to be simple and concise.
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分かりやすいです。もしかしたら面接感
It’s easy to understand. And perhaps this isn’t…
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だけに限らないかもしれないですよね。話
…limited to interview situations, either. When someone…
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が上手な方ってまとめるのがうまい、的確
…is a good speaker, they’re good at organizing their thoughts and are precise.
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、無駄なものがない。削ぎ落とされている
There’s nothing unnecessary; everything has been pared down.
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なんですよ。なのでシンプルで分かり
That’s how it is. So being simple and easy…
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やすいイコール面接感の良さがそのまま
…to understand directly translates into a favorable impression in an interview…
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ダイレクトに伝わります。つまりこの
…and comes across immediately. In other words, this quality of…
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シンプルで分かりやすいっていうことって
…being simple and easy to understand…
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この人理的だなていう風な印象を与えてる
…gives the impression that this person is logical.
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ということになります。やっぱり話の内容
That’s what it amounts to. Ultimately, rather than the content…
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そのもののっていうよりかはこの人と話し
…of the conversation itself, it makes you feel that talking with this person…
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たらほれ草がスムーズに行きそうとか仕事
…would make workplace communication go smoothly, or that working together…
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も段取りよく進めてもらえそうっていう風
It also gives the impression that you’ll be able to keep things moving efficiently,
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なそう思わせられることがやっぱできてい
and you really are able to make people feel that way,
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るっていうことなんですよね。例えば、
which is the point. For example,
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えっと、具体的にどういう風に言ったら
Um, to explain more concretely how you should put it,
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いいかって言うと、まず、ま、今お話しし
first—well, as I was just saying—
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た通り論理的。この論理的に話すのって
you need to be logical. There are two key points to speaking logically.
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ポイントは2つあります。1つは、ま、
There are two key points. The first is, well,
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よくロジカルシンキングの中でも出てくる
something that often comes up in logical thinking:
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結論と根拠。結論。私はりんごが好きです
a conclusion and its supporting reasons. The conclusion: “I like apples.”
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。なぜならば甘くて美味しい。
“Because they’re sweet and delicious,
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いつでも売ってるからです。という風に
and you can buy them anytime.” In this way,
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この結論と根拠っていうのがいつもセット
the conclusion and its supporting reasons always come as a pair.
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なんですよね。だから私はりんごが好きで
That’s how it is. So, if I say that I like apples...
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小さい頃からずっと食べていてどうのこう
and that I’ve been eating them since I was little, and so on...
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のどうのこうのって話を続けてくと何なの
if I keep rambling on like that, the point of what I’m saying...
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かっていうところがまとまりがなくなって
ends up becoming unclear and unfocused.
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しまう。これは転職活動においても
This happens. The same is true when changing jobs.
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一緒で結論これです。先に来る
It’s the same: this is the conclusion, and it comes first.
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結論ファースト。そして根拠。これを
Conclusion first, followed by the supporting reasons. These two...
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セットということを覚えておくようにして
should be remembered as a set.
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ください。もう1つはプレップ法と呼ば
Please keep that in mind. Another approach is known as the PREP method.
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れるものです。プレップのPは、え、
That’s what it’s called. The P in PREP is, um...
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ポイントつまり論点ですね。Rがリーズ
Point—in other words, the main point. R is “reas—”
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です。理由でEがエグザンポ。事例とか
—on,” meaning the reason, and E is “example,” such as a specific case.
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具体例ですよね。そしてP。この頭文字。
A concrete example, right? And then P—this initial.
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Pはあのまた結論に戻ってきます。ポイン
P means returning to the conclusion again. “Poin—”
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トっていう風に。この頭文字を取ってプレ
“—t,” as in “point.” Taking these initials, it is called PRE—
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という風に呼んだりするんですけど、
—P, or the PREP method.
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つまり結論、理由、具体入れ、そして結論
In other words: the conclusion, the reason, a concrete example, and then the conclusion
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に
—
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戻る。もう1回結論を再定義するっていう
returning to it—reframing the conclusion once more.
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この方法でお話すると非常に話が伝わり
If you speak using this method, your message becomes much easier
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やすくなるかなと思いますので、皆さんも
to understand, so I encourage all of you as well
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こう文章を考えたり台本を作るっていう風
when thinking through a piece of writing or creating a script,
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な時にこの結論と根拠もしくはプレップ法
to keep this conclusion-and-support structure, or the PREP method,
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を意識して文章を構成すると良いと思い
in mind when structuring it.
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ます。例えば私の強みは調整力です。理由
For example, my strength is my ability to coordinate. There are...
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は3点あります。1つ目はタを巻き込む力
three reasons. The first is my ability to get others involved.
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があると思います。それはね、3
I believe I have that ability. You see, for three...
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年間私はという風な感じで、で、2つ目は
You might say, “For three years, I...” And then, the second point is...
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3つ目は以上で私の強みは調整力っていう
After the third point, conclude with, “For these reasons, my strength is my ability to coordinate...”
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風なところをお話ししましたという風に
That is what I wanted to explain,” or something along those lines.
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最後クロージングをかけると最後のあ、
If you wrap it up at the end, the interviewer will ultimately think, “Ah...”
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そっか調整力この子は高いんだなっていう
“I see, this candidate has excellent coordination skills.”
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風に印象付けることもできると
That is the impression you can leave as well.
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思います。なので話を分かりやすく面接感
I think. So, make your explanation easy to follow, but do not speak so incessantly that the interviewer...
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に質問する隙を与えないぐらいベラベラ
does not even get a chance to ask questions.
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喋らないようにしましょうね。2つ目は
Be careful not to talk that much. The second point is...
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面接無双の人は話を盛りません。どうして
People who excel at interviews don't exaggerate. Why is it that
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も面接って自分をなきゃいけないのかなっ
we still tend to wonder whether we have to sell ourselves in an interview
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て思っちゃったりしませんか?ま、いい
—don't you ever think that? Well, you want to show your good
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ところを見せようとするアピールをする
qualities and promote yourself,
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わけなので、ま、これもね、分かります。
so I understand that too.
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でもこう意外なんですけど面接無双な人
But surprisingly, the better someone is at interviews,
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ほどあの自分を過剰にすごく見せようとし
the less they try to make themselves look excessively impressive.
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ないです。逆に弱みもうまく
Instead, they are also good at revealing their weaknesses
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見せることができている人だなって
—they're the kind of person who can do that,
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やっぱり思いますね。正直であって自分の
I always think. They're honest and can assess their own
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実力をメタ認知できてるっていうことに
abilities objectively, which
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なるのでやっぱり好感度が上がるんですよ
naturally makes them more likable.
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ね。正直な人だなとか。あ、できないこと
You know, you might think, “They’re an honest person.” Or, “Oh, the things they can’t do...
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も分かってるんだなって。例えば僕はもう
...they understand those too.” For example, if someone says, “I can already...
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全然売上られますよ。音社でも余裕です。
...easily generate sales. I could do it at your company with no trouble.”
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全職でもトップ取ってきたんでこれだけ
“I was the top performer at my previous job too.” If that’s all they say...
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言われたらやっぱ心憑性がないかなって
...I’d naturally wonder whether they lack credibility...
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思っちゃうかな。前にこういう候補者さん
...I think that’s how I’d feel. There was once a candidate like this...
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がいて、あ、素敵だなって思った出来事が
...and something happened that made me think, “Oh, this person is great.”
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あったんですけど、その人はとある不
That candidate had been working in sales at a certain real...
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動産会社の営業していた人だったんです
...estate company...
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けど、ま、自分の営業でのエピソードを
...and when they were asked to talk about an experience from their sales work...
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話してくださいっていう風になった時に
...when the conversation reached the point of, “Please tell us about it,”...
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その人もうその会社で売上トップだったん
...that person had also been the top salesperson at the company...
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ですよ。だけど全然選ぶってないんですね
Right. But you weren’t making any sales at all.
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。で、どうでしたかって今までのことを
So when I asked him how things had gone up to that point,
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聞いた時に実はって12年目の時は再下
he said, “Actually, in my twelfth year, I was at the very bottom…”
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だったんですから始まったんですよ。え、
That was how the story began. I said, “What?”
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今これだけ売り上げてるのに12年目再下
“You’re selling this much now, but in your twelfth year you were at the bottom…”
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だったのっていう興味がやっぱり面接感と
That naturally piqued my interest as the interviewer: “You were really at the bottom?”
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して湧いたんですよね。最初の自分って
That curiosity arose in me. He said, “When I first started out, I…”
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本当にこうちょっと偉そうで知ったかぶり
“was honestly a little arrogant and often pretended to know everything.”
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をたくさんしちゃってたんですねって。
He said he had done that a lot.
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じゃあこの住宅だったらこうですよとか
He would say things like, “Well, with this kind of house, this is how it works,”
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尻りもしないご宅を並べまくってそれでお
spouting one empty claim after another about things he knew nothing about, and as a result, his
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客さんからやっぱり疲れないということ
customers naturally couldn’t trust him.
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やっぱある時気づいたですごく
Then, at one point, he had a major realization.
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こう考えと手法を変えたっていう風にその
He said that this made him change his mindset and approach.
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人は言ってたんですよね。で、そうなった
That's what the person said. And when that happened,
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時に気をつけたこととしては3つありま
there were three things he was careful about.
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すっていう風に言っていて、1つ
He said there were three, and the first
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は失た化することをやめた。分からない
was to stop pretending to know things. If he didn't know something,
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ことはちゃんと分からないって、お客様に
he would clearly say that he didn't know, both to clients
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も上司にも誠実に言う。お客様に分から
and to his supervisors, being honest with both. As for anything he couldn't answer for a client,
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なかったことっていうのは後できちんと
he would make sure to look it up afterward
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調べた上で例えば文書にしてお渡しします
and, for example, provide the answer in a written document
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とか、メールでお送りします。で、それ
or send it by email. And just doing that
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だけでやっぱり誠実性が全然変わりました
made a tremendous difference in how sincere he came across.
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と。で、2つ目は自分のお客様の分析って
And so, the second thing was analyzing my own clients...
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いうのをもう徹底的にすることにした。何
I decided to do that extremely thoroughly. Like, how many...
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回目の家の購入なのかとか、ペットは勝っ
times they had purchased a home, whether they had a pet...
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ているのかとか、どういう今回気持ちで
and what feelings or motivations they had this time...
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このエリアなのかとか、お客様から会話を
in choosing this area. I tried to draw conversation out of my clients...
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引き出そうって、相手のことを
and get them talking—to understand the other person...
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しろう。家を売ろうじゃなくていう風に
My focus became “get to know them,” rather than “sell a house.”
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心がけたと。で、3つ目がその自分のじゃ
That was the mindset I adopted. And the third thing was my own—well...
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日々の売上ための数値を、えっと、KPI
I took the daily figures needed to generate sales and, um, turned them into KPIs.
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化したね。そこを徹底的に分析したって
I made them measurable KPIs and analyzed them thoroughly.
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いう風なことをして、で、やっと3年目に
After doing those things, in my third year I finally...
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1位を取ることができたっていう、ま、
managed to take first place, you know.
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もう逆転ですよね。で、こういうエピソー
That completely turns things around, doesn’t it? And an episode like this—
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ドってずっと完璧でしたっていう人よりも
rather than someone whose story is that they were always perfect,
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、あ、成長できる人なんだなっていう風に
it makes you think, “Oh, this is someone who can grow,”
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思う忘れるですよね。なんで魅力
doesn’t it? So they often come across as more appealing.
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的に移ることの方がやっぱり多いです。
More often than not, that leaves a more attractive impression.
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完璧な人よりも。なので対処法としていい
More so than a perfect person. So, as a way of handling this, don’t just share the positive—
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エピソードだけじゃなくっていい
episode itself; also explain what led up to that positive—
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エピソードに至るまでの家庭をちゃんと
outcome—the process that got you there—clearly,
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話すようにしてください。そこにさっき
when you tell the story. In it, as in the earlier example,
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みたいに再下だったけどこの努力をして
you were at the very bottom, but then you made this effort,
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この工夫をしてこうなった。これが一連化
tried this approach, and achieved this result. When these elements form one coherent sequence,
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されているとどんな成長を遂げられる人な
it shows what kind of growth the person is capable of achieving—
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のかっていう風なのが相手に伝わりやすく
That makes it easier for the other person to understand what you mean,
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なります。はい、では3つ目です。面接
as a result. Okay, now for the third point. People who excel at interviews
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無双の人は相手目線が上手です。ついね、
are good at seeing things from the other person's perspective. You know, it's easy to
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面接をしていると自分の話をするから自分
when you're in an interview, since you're talking about yourself,
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の目線で話したくなっちゃうっていう
want to speak entirely from your own perspective.
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気持ちはすごくよく分かるんですけど面接
I completely understand that feeling, but people who are
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がやっぱりうまい人って自分の言いたい
really good at interviews don't just say
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ことだけは話さないです。必ず相手が何を
whatever they themselves want to say. They always consider what the other person
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思ってるんだろうっていうのを裏側で捉え
might be thinking, keeping that in mind beneath the surface.
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てるなってやっぱり面接感してても思い
That's something I notice even when I'm acting as an interviewer.
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ますね。この会社は何知りたいんだろうっ
They think, “What does this company want to know?”
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て考えてたりとか
and things like that.
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コミュニケーションをしようとしてる。
They're trying to communicate.
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どうしてその質問をしたんだろう。きっと
They wonder, “Why did they ask that question?” Surely...
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こういうことが聞きたいんだろうなていう
they're thinking, “This must be what they want to know,”
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風なことを察して話してくれる。的て
and they pick up on that and respond accordingly. So, being able to...
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るってことですかね。例えばこれ
I suppose that's what it means. For example, there was this...
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もすごく上手だなって思った方の例があっ
example of someone whom I thought was also extremely good at this.
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たんですけど営業経験がないメーカーの
They had no sales experience and worked for a manufacturer...
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経営企画してる方だったんですよ
in corporate planning.
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。で、営業になりたい、人材会社の営業に
And they wanted to go into sales—specifically, sales at a recruitment company.
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なりたいっていう方だったんですね。で、
That was the kind of role they wanted. And...
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私その方と面接練習をしていた時に
When I was practicing for interviews with them,
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やっぱりとっても上手だなって思っていた
I kept thinking that they were indeed extremely good at it.
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んですけど、ま、営業経験がない
But, well, you don’t have any sales experience,
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わけじゃないですか。あなたの得意なこと
right? So, “What are you good at?”
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を教えてくださいっていう風な質問を、ま
That was the kind of question I asked—
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、模擬面接として投げた時に、
as part of a mock interview.
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やっぱその人ってその自分が単純に得意な
And, as you’d expect, that person didn’t simply
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こと、数字分析ですっていう風なことを
list things they were good at, like saying, “Data analysis.”
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並べるだけじゃない。災会社を受けるんだ
They didn’t just rattle them off. They kept in mind that they were applying to the company,
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もんなっていうことを前提にしていて、
and built the answer around that premise.
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まずその人が知ってたことって学生時代に
First, they began with something they knew from their student days:
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不動産営業のインターンしてたっていう話
the fact that they had interned in real-estate sales.
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から始まったんですよ。ま、その
That’s where their answer started. And, well,
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話から私が得意であるっていうことは実は
from that story, they went on to explain that what they were actually good at was...
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その人とお話をして相手の良さや課題を
It means talking with the person and bringing out their strengths and challenges,
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引き出すことです。そして提案すること
and then making a proposal.
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です。ていう風なことが根感にあったん
That idea was at the heart of it.
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ですね。どうしてそう思うかって
So, as for why I thought that,
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言うとてというところで実は私学生時代の
the reason is that, actually, when I was a student,
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時には不動産の営業のインターン
I did an internship in real estate sales.
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をしていましたっていう風なところの
I begin with the fact that I had that experience,
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エピソードから話してそして今はメーカー
tell that story, and explain that I now work at a manufacturing company
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でま経営画の仕事をしているんですけれど
in corporate planning, although
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も経営画では数字を読むとかBSPLを
in corporate planning, we interpret figures and read balance sheets and profit-and-loss statements,
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読むとかUFを読むとかま、そういった
as well as cash-flow statements, and we use that kind of
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ような根拠に基づいて数字を管理したり
evidence as a basis for managing the figures.
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読んだりするお仕事についていてまそこは
She had a job that involved reading and things like that, and she presented that as...
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あの自分の強みですっていう風なところを
well, one of her personal strengths.
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上げてきたんですよね。だから営業経験は
That's what she brought up. So although she didn't have sales experience...
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社会人の中ではないけど営業の素用があっ
from her time in the workforce, she did have an aptitude for sales...
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てで数字も得意でその根換にあるのが人と
and she was good with numbers; at the heart of it all was that she...
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話すことが好き楽しい
liked and enjoyed talking with people.
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そしてそこから出た課題に対して提案する
And she could propose solutions to the issues that emerged from those conversations...
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ことができる営業として完璧だなっていう
which made me think she was perfect for sales.
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風に私はやっぱ感じました。
That's genuinely how I felt.
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うまい人って今みたいな感じで想像をする
People who are good at this use their imagination, just like we did now.
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んですよね。相手って何を回答したら
They imagine what kind of answer would make the other person...
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喜ばしいかっていうのを分かってそれに
happy, understand that, and respond accordingly.
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合わせて自分のエピソードの言い
Accordingly, I change how I tell my own story—
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方や順番を変えてるんですよね。難しい
the wording and the order. You might think it sounds difficult,
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よって思うかもしれないんですけど、皆
but the advice I would give all of you
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さんへのその対処法のやっぱりアドバイス
on how to handle that
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としてはまずは本当に基礎的なところなん
starts with something truly fundamental:
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ですけど、質問をよく聞く。そして意図を
listen carefully to the question, and then consider
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考えるっていうことですね。今みたいな
the intent behind it. For example, like just now,
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感じで得意なことを教えてくださいていう
when you are asked something like, “Please tell me what you are good at,”
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風に言われた時に今私が受けてるのは
you should consider that the interview I am currently having
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人材会社であるだったら営業とか人材に
is with a recruitment company, so perhaps I should mention something related to sales or human resources.
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繋がるようなものが言った方が
Wouldn’t it be better to say something relevant to those areas?
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いいんじゃないか。だったら数字管理です
That would be better. In that case, I would say managing figures.
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よりもこう言おうっていう風に思って話す
Instead, think, “I’ll put it this way,” and then speak.
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。それって1番最初の基本は質問の意図を
The very first and most fundamental part of that is the intent behind the question...
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理解してしようとしているってことになる
It means that you’re trying to understand it,
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じゃないですか。なのでまずは質問をよく
doesn’t it? So first, listen carefully to the question.
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聞くようにしましょう。そしてもし質問の
Make sure you listen. And if the question’s...
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意図が分からないなっていう風に思ったら
intent seems unclear to you,
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聞き返すのもありです。それってこういう
it’s perfectly fine to ask for clarification. You can ask, “Do you mean that I should...
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エピソードをお話しすればよろしいですか
tell you this kind of story?”
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?聞くのは別に失礼ではないです。そして
It isn’t rude at all to ask. And then...
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セカンドステップとして、ま、そうやって
As a second step, well, in that way...
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何の言葉を選ぼうかなとか、相手との共通
you consider which words to choose, the things you have in common with the other person,
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点やその求人との自分の過去のエピソード
and experiences from your past that relate to the job opening.
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との共通点を見つけて話す。なので単なる
Find common ground with them and talk about it. So it’s not simply
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自己PRだけではなくって自分を採用する
a matter of promoting yourself, but of explaining why hiring you
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ことのメリットの提案なんですよね。この
would benefit the company. If you can develop the conversation in this
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お話に展開できるようにすると
direction,
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良いと思います。では4つ目です。面接
I think that would be effective. Now, the fourth point: people who excel at interviews
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無双の人は転職のストーリーに一環性が
have a consistent story behind their career change.
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あります。これもね、よくアドバイスを
This is also something I often advise people
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することなんですけど、例えば
about. For example,
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死亡同期、転職したい理由、これからやり
many people separately consider their motivation for applying, their reason for wanting to change jobs, and what they want
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たいこと、バラバラに考えてる人が多い
to do going forward.
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なって思うんです。でもこれって
At least, that’s what I’ve noticed. But these things
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実は自分の人生の中でストーリーである
actually form a single story within your life.
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ものなんですよね。だ、それを1本で
That’s just how it is. And if you can tie it all together with one consistent thread...
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繋がってる人っていうのはやっぱり強い
people whose story is connected like that definitely have an advantage.
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です。で、面接感って実は内場お話しする
They do. And to give you some insight into what interviewers actually do...
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と矛盾を見てる。その矛盾を見つけた時に
they look for inconsistencies. When they find one...
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その矛盾に対して突っ込むっていう、ま、
they press you on that inconsistency; well...
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いわば修正があります。ま、そう
you could say they have a tendency to do that. Well, that kind of...
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やって暴くっていうのも1つ面接感の
bringing things to light is also part of an interviewer’s...
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やっぱりお仕事だから、それはなんか
job, after all, so it isn’t as though they’re...
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意地悪してるわけとかではないんですよね
trying to be mean to you.
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。うまく見せよう見せようとする場にどう
Interviews inevitably tend to become situations where people try hard to present themselves well...
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しても面接ってなりがちだからこそ矛盾点
and precisely because of that, interviewers look for inconsistencies...
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を探してそれについてはどうですかって
and ask, “What do you have to say about this?”
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いう風にやっぱり対話をして相手もやっぱ
So you really need to engage in dialogue and draw things out of the other person as well.
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引き出す必要があるなのでその矛盾って
That is necessary. So, if you identify that inconsistency,
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いう風なものがないとあなるほどねって
unless there is something like that, it is hard to get them to say, “Ah, I see,”
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いう風に納得をさせることができやすく
whereas it makes it easier to convince them.
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なります。例えばなんですけどこんな人が
Let me give you an example. There was someone like this:
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いました。1社目にブライダル会社に入っ
For their first job, they joined a wedding company
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てプランナーを10年やってまし
and worked as a wedding planner for ten years.
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たと。で、その後に土日祝日休みたいと
After that, wanting to have weekends and public holidays off,
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思って営業ジムになりました。だけどジム
they became a sales administrator. But office work
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は向いてなかった。半年でやめ
was not a good fit, so they quit after six months.
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ちゃいました。その後今現在は人事採用の
After that, they moved into their current role in HR recruitment.
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仕事をしています。で、次は教育
That is their current job. And next, they want to move into education...
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系に期待です。こういう風にその時々の
I have high hopes for this field. If, like this, you take only what happened at each point in time
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ものだけ事実だけ並べるとなんかすごく
and simply list the facts, it really
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コロコロ気が変わってるように今だと
sounds now as though I kept changing my mind,
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聞こえるじゃないですか。だけど
doesn’t it? But
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一貫性っていう風なところを例えば意識
if, for example, you focus on maintaining consistency,
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するとこんな風な話し方になるかなって
I think you might present it like this.
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思っています。例えば私は人と対話する
That’s what I think. For example, I enjoy talking with people.
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ことが好きです。だからこそ1社目
That is precisely why, at my first company,
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ウェディングプランナーの仕事に着きまし
I took a job as a wedding planner.
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た。人と対話をして誰かの幸せのために
By talking with people and contributing to someone’s happiness,
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なる、誰かの支えになる、役に
supporting someone and being of
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立つ、こういうやりがいを、ま、その
service—this kind of fulfillment, well...
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培
Cultivation
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だという風に思ったからこそ、もっと自分
It was precisely because I felt that way that I wanted to explore more of what I
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のやれることっていうのを探すために営業
could do, so I took a sales
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事務のお仕事に転職をしました。支える
administration job. Supporting others
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ことっていうのがその根感には繋がって
is connected to that core motivation,
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ますよね。で、それで挑戦をしたんです
isn’t it? So I gave it a try,
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けど、ただやっぱりやりがいという観点で
but when it came to finding fulfillment,
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もっと自分にできることを探したい。
I wanted to find more things that I could do.
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もっと自分で企画したり考えたり
I realized that planning and thinking things through myself
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することが好きだったんだなって改めて
were things I really enjoyed,
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気づいたんです。その経験から。
thanks to that experience.
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だから事務職は短期職だったけれども、今
So although that administrative position was short-term, now
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の人事の仕事を選んだんです。で、人事の
So I chose a job in human resources. And HR...
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仕事はやっぱりすごくフロントに立つ仕事
is, after all, a very front-facing role,
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ですよね。そして究極誰かをやっぱり
right? And ultimately, it is about...
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支える仕事とかに繋がってくる
supporting someone in some way,
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じゃないですか。そして面接もするし、
isn’t it? You also conduct interviews,
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説明会とかにも行くから対話をする。だ
and attend information sessions, so you engage in dialogue. So...
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から1社目のこのブライダルプランナーの
I thought that the experience I gained as a wedding planner at my first company...
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時の経験がまかせると思って採用の仕事に
could be put to good use, so I went into recruitment.
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着きました。そしてもう本当にこの仕事が
And I truly came to love this job.
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好きである。仕事が好きだし、人事として
I love the work, and because I wanted...
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のキャリアを積んでいきたいからこそ次
to continue building my career in HR, my next goal...
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はもっと人を定着させる入り口だけじゃ
was to focus not only on bringing people in, but also on helping them stay longer...
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なくってどうしたらもっと従業員が活躍
So I began thinking about how I could help employees thrive more,
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できるかっていうところを考えたく育成の
and I wanted to focus on that question and move into employee development.
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方に行きたいという風に思って現在のお
That made me want to pursue that path, but in my current...
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仕事では教育研修のポジションっていうの
job, there simply isn’t a position in education and training,
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がどうしてもないので外も見てみることに
so I decided to look for opportunities outside the company as well.
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しました。こうなってくるとやっぱり一貫
Once you put it that way, the narrative is clearly very consistent.
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性が高い。だからバラバラでも後付けで
It has a high degree of consistency. So even if the pieces seem disconnected, you can later...
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一貫性ストーリーにすることっていうのは
turn them into one coherent story;
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誰でも可能です。ただそのバカ正直に全て
anyone can do that. Just don’t be so brutally honest that you include absolutely every...
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の物事を切り取って言わないようにするっ
single event exactly as it happened.
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ていうことを意識するといいと思います。
I think it’s good to keep that in mind.
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なので対処法としては自分の根換今の話で
So, as a way to handle this, identify your own core—using the example we just discussed...
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言うと人が好きとか役に立ちたい
In other words, things like liking people or wanting to be helpful—
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とかっていうことでこれをまず根換を頂点
take that as the foundation and starting point
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において考える。そしてそれぞれ自分の
and think from there. Then, within your own respective
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食歴の中での共通点やその映った時の
career history, identify common threads and what happened when you changed jobs,
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エピソードを探る。そして一貫し
looking for relevant episodes. Then see whether there is
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ているかっていう風なところをまず
a consistent thread, and first
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ストーリーとして描いてみるといいと思い
try to map it out as a story. I think that would be helpful.
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ます。もしどうしてもやるのが難しいって
If you still find it too difficult to do,
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いう風になったらこれもやっぱり
then, for this as well,
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エージェントさんとかあとはあの信頼の
you could ask a career agent or someone you
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おけるお友達とかに聞いてもらう
trust, such as a friend, to listen to you.
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といいと思います。結構人がねよく判断し
I think that would be helpful. Other people are often quite good at judging—
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てくれるとあのあてメタ認知
If they do that for you, it can also help with that kind of metacognition...
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気づけたりとかもすると思うのでおすめ
I think it can help you notice things too, so I recommend it.
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です。はい。そして5番目です。面接無双
Yes. All right, and now for number five: people who are unbeatable in interviews...
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の人は対話をしています。そうなんですよ
People who are unbeatable in interviews engage in dialogue. That's right.
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ね。面接無双の人って面接しに行ってない
You see, people who excel at interviews don't seem to be going there to be interviewed.
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なって感じます。面接ってジャッジされる
That's how it feels to me. We tend to think of an interview as a place where we're judged...
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ばって思っちゃいますよね。だ
...don't we? But...
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けどこう面接無双な人ってあの面接のこと
But people who are exceptionally good at interviews don't regard an interview as...
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を変な話みたいに思ってないんですよね。
...something strange or unusual, so to speak.
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お互いを知る場だなって
They see it as an opportunity to get to know each other.
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思ってるから。そう思うと余裕が生まれる
That's how they think about it. And thinking that way gives you composure.
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んですよ。で、余裕が生まれた方が人って
It really does. And when people feel more composed, they...
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落ち着いて冷静で本質的な対話につがり
It leads to calm, level-headed, and substantive dialogue,
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ます。どうしてもジャッジされて
but when you inevitably feel that you're being judged,
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るっていう風になると移縮して言いたい
you become intimidated and what you want to say
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ことが伝えきれなかったりとか言葉を選び
may not come across fully, or you may choose your words
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すぎてしまう傾向がある。で、良さが出せ
too carefully. That tendency exists, and it can keep your strengths
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ないということはあると思います。なんで
from showing, I think. So,
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実はこれ1番大きいかもしれない。シーン
this may actually be the biggest factor. Once that feeling
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つくとやっぱり一緒に働きたいなって思っ
is established, what ultimately matters is making them think, “I'd like
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てもらえることが全てだと思うん
to work with this person.”
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ですよね。その印象をつけられるかどうか
Right? It comes down to whether you can leave that impression.
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。だから能力とかスキルとか経験って
So ability, skills, and experience
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もちろんなんですけど、最終的には
of course matter, but ultimately...
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やっぱり面接って人と人なので、
After all, an interview is an interaction between people, so...
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コミュニケーションとして捉えてるのが
Seeing it as a form of communication...
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やっぱり面接無双の特徴だなって
is, I think, what characterizes people who excel at interviews.
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いう風に思います。例えば相手の反応を
That's what I think. For example, they watch the other person's reactions...
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見るとかね、冷静層なのかがニコニコされ
such as whether they seem composed or are smiling...
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てるのかっていう相手の顔色もちゃんと見
They carefully read the other person's expression to see which it is...
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て
and...
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伺って対話展開をしています。あとは質問
gauge their mood and develop the conversation accordingly. Another thing is the question...
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の意図を理解するっていうのはさっきお
Understanding the intent behind it is something I...
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伝えしたところですよね。あとは時には
mentioned earlier, right? Also, sometimes...
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あの笑顔で雑談も交えるっていうのもコツ
another tip is to smile and mix in some casual conversation.
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です。結構やっぱ面接無双の人って
People who are really good at interviews tend to...
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コミュニケーションが上手っていう話を何
I think I’ve talked many
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度もしてると思うんですけど、1問一等
times about being a good communicator, but a simple question-and-answer format
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だけだと本当に面接感と候補者っていう
really makes it feel like there’s an interviewer and a candidate.
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感じなんですが、それ面白いですねとか、
Instead, you can say things like, “That’s interesting,” or
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今の会社でも近しいポイントあるかもです
“There may be something similar at my current company,”
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とか、あ、私もこういうことするのが好き
or, “Oh, I also like doing this sort of thing,”
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でとか、あ、じゃあこれってこうですか
or, “Oh, then does that mean this works like this?”
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何気ないちょっとした共通点を見つけた時
When you notice a small, casual point you have in common,
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に雑談として広げていく。もちろんメイン
expand on it as casual conversation. Of course, you shouldn’t make it the main
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にしちゃいけないんですけれども、そう
focus, but by doing that,
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やって面接感と対話する。よく私が
you create a dialogue with the interviewer. One piece of advice I often
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アドバイスをしているのは、その人とお
give is to imagine that you and that person…
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食事に行ったりとか飲みに行っ
Imagine going out for a meal or for drinks...
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てる時を想像してお話するといいですよて
It’s good to speak as though you were out having drinks together.
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。飲みに行ったりとかお食事行ってる時に
When you go out for drinks or a meal...
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面接っぽい話し方しないじゃないですか。
You don’t talk as though you’re in an interview, do you?
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何々さんはどうなんですかって逆質問
You might ask them in return, “And how about you?”
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したりとかもしますよね。だから
You do that too, right? So...
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一定の形式的なものはありながらもこの方
Although there is a certain degree of formality, approach it...
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と対話をするっていう意識で行くと結構
with the mindset that you are having a dialogue with this person, and it will make quite a difference.
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変わると思います。はい、というわけで
I think it will make a real difference. All right, so...
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いかがでしたでしょうか。面接無双の方の
So, what did you think? We’ve looked at the traits of people who excel at interviews...
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共通点5000をお話しさせていただき
and discussed five things they have in common.
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ました。ま、もちろん面接感のタイプとか
Of course, factors such as the interviewer’s personality...
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シチュエーションによって違ってくるかも
It might vary depending on the situation,
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しれないし、そんなに上手にできないよっ
and for those who think, “I can’t do it that well,”
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ていう人はできそうなことから1個ずつ
just start with the things you think you can do, one at a time.
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工夫してみるだけでも全然違ってくると
I think even just trying to make small improvements
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思います。気づいて欲しいのはやっぱり
can make a huge difference. What I really want you to realize is
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これ才能じゃないってことなんですよね。
that this isn’t about talent.
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考えて工夫した結果こうなってるっていう
This is the result of thinking things through and finding ways to improve;
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風なものなので学歴がとか私はキラキラ
so it’s not about your educational background or thinking, “I don’t have an impressive
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経歴じゃないからとかそういうことではな
career history.” It’s not about things like that;
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いっていう技術スキルなんだっていうこと
it’s a technique—a skill—
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を是非皆さんには思っていただきたいなと
and I really hope all of you will keep that in mind.
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いう風に思いました。なんで面接感
That’s what I wanted to say. So, interviewers...
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やっぱり敵じゃなくって自分のことを
After all, instead of seeing them as an adversary, think of yourself as...
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やっぱり素人
just an ordinary person and, after all, an amateur.
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の人っていう風に思うと肩の力が抜けるし
Thinking of yourself that way helps you relax,
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もお伝えをした対話とか
and leads to the kind of dialogue I mentioned,
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コミュニケーションっていう風なものに
as well as better communication.
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繋がってくるんじゃないのかなという風に
I believe that is where it can ultimately lead.
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思います。
That’s what I think.
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人事面接の本音、エージェントの裏事女
We’ll cover candid truths about HR interviews and the inside story on recruiters,
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など、これからも転職のリアルな情報、
among other topics, and continue sharing realistic information about changing jobs,
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本音という風なものを発信していきたい
along with honest, unfiltered opinions.
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なっていう風に思います。最新動画も
That’s what I hope to keep doing. So you don’t miss our latest videos,
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見逃さないように是非チャンネル
please be sure to subscribe to the channel.
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登録をよろしくお願いします。公式
Please subscribe. Our official...
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LINE概要欄にありますので是非いつも
LINE account is linked in the description, so by all means, messages like “I always...”
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見てますとかスタンプだけ押してくださる
watch your videos,” or even just sending a sticker...
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方とかもすごく力になるので面談希望とか
is a huge source of support. You can also say that you’d like a consultation, or...
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ね、こういうテーマ知りたいですっていう
that you’d like to learn about a particular topic...
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風なリクエストなどもね、是非送って
Please feel free to send requests like those as well.
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いただければと思います。というわけで
I’d be glad to receive them. So, with that...
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以上。元人事部長転職エージェントが本音
That’s all. This has been “A Former HR Director and Career-Change Agent Candidly Explains...”
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で話す面接無双する人の共通点5戦でした
the Five Traits Shared by People Who Are Unbeatable in Interviews.”
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。ありがとうございました。頑張ってね。
Thank you very much. Keep up the good work!

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